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Or not this alternate scheme of electors would be quote/unquote dead in congress or not. and his reasoning at one point that was no state legislature had acted tovert few them as -- to certify them as valid. they're going to hone in on those arguments there that show that potentially john eastman knowingly charged ahead with this -- this, again, legal coup despite knowing it was unconstitutional and potentially criminal. >> and senator, the committee says it's now cooperating with the justice department, with their requests for interview transcripts. as a former u.s. attorney, what do you make...

For people to make, that kind of recognition, that mob runs into the halls of congress, can go after anyone -- that's a very unpredictable force. and no one seems to be aware of that. >> no, that's basically what michael luttig said -- career republican, retired judge, he was talking about preserving america, our democracy here. >> yeah. and he's been a kind of uncommon voice. that's been the refrain that you've heard, you've heard that from cheney. you've heard that from kinzinger. you've heard this from the various elements of the republican party that have criticized trump and trumpism. but...

We don't know whether he'll appear, but he's been invoked, so he has the right to be there. well, today's hearing, while it was underway, we also got an interesting reminder that in addition to this congressional investigation, the justice department is also doing its own investigation of some kind related to january six. beyond the 800 plus people who have been indicted thus far for crimes related to the actual physical attack on the capitol. right in the middle hearing today, we got news to be a federal court filing in d.c., that the justice department wants interview transcripts for all the...

Own investigation of some kind related to january six. beyond the 800 plus people who have been indicted thus far for crimes related to the actual physical attack on the capitol. right in the middle hearing today, we got news to be a federal court filing in d. c., that the justice department wants interview transcripts for all the depositions that the investigation has done. that's over 1000 different interviews. they want full transcript of all of them. this is that letter from the justice department january 6th investigation. it says, in part, quote, the interviews are not just potentially r...

Tillis in north carolina, who stood up and said, listen, we're going to reject the trump endorsed congressional incumbent madison cawthorne and send the message this is not a fraternity house and that went against donald trump. i think that's a real suggestion that he's got some real leadership potential as a candidate in 2024. >> there's a headline in the the "new york times" by maggie haberman, some voters now see donald trump as the establishment in the republican party. gentlemen, thank you very much for joining us. i know we're going to have a lot of these conversations going forward. i a...