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President are people who are on the record talking against engagement and for military action. so it's going to be very interesting to watch how these two men advised the president and helped him get ready for the meeting. >> tillerson is out. mcmaster is out very shortly thereafter. john kelly is one of the people who the president has sort of enjoyed publicly toying with as to whether or not he's going to get rid of him. in terms of the influences on the president, the people who have his year with him when it comes to national security matters, the odd figure in the midst of those departure...