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Never trumpers or said negative things about the candidate? >> that's exactly right, there is a split there. there's a large group of people ruled persona nongrata because they spoke out against trump or backed one of his opponents. donald trump tends to rush into picking people without going through the normal investigate process. i think it's important for people to remember that even had jackson survived these allegations which were raised by senator tester from montana, there still was the fact that he had never done anything remotely like managing something at the scale of veterans affair...

How much of this is a management problem by the president of hiring, how much is some of the best people may not have been available because they were never trumpers or said negative things about the candidate? >> that's exactly right, there is a split there. there's a large group of people ruled persona nongrata because they spoke out against trump or backed one of his opponents. donald trump tends to rush into picking people without going through the normal investigate process. i think it's important for people to remember that even had jackson survived these allegations which were raised by...

>> i'm not sure i understand the security clearance process versus the vetting process here. what kind of documentation, what kind of process would you expect somebody like mike flynn to go through in terms of becoming national security adviser in the trump white house? >> first of all, there is a security clearance to make sure you have no conflicts of interest, no foreign entanglements. makes sure the government knows who you get your money from, who you associate regularly, whether you have relatives or other foreign contacts that you're constantly in touch with. because they have to make s...

Have had you without being on the show. >> thank you. >> i'm not sure i understand the security clearance process versus the vetting process here. what kind of documentation, what kind of process would you expect somebody like mike flynn to go through in terms of becoming national security adviser in the trump white house? >> first of all, there is a security clearance to make sure you have no conflicts of interest, no foreign entanglements. makes sure the government knows who you get your money from, who you associate regularly, whether you have relatives or other foreign contacts that you're...

Somebody like mike flynn to go through in terms of becoming national security adviser in the trump white house? >> first of all, there is a security clearance to make sure you have no conflicts of interest, no foreign entanglements. makes sure the government knows who you get your money from, who you associate regularly, whether you have relatives or other foreign contacts that you're constantly in touch with. because they have to make sure that you don't have a conflict of interest, that you're putting the united states first. you're going into government. you're going tyke an oath to the u.s...