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His presence would be a real ball and chain on their case and they didn't want any part of it. they opposed it in which part mulvaney withdrew and said he was going to file his own suit. >> we have seen assertions of absolute immunity and vague references to privilege with the white house but no specific invocations thereof. talk about that concept, which is interesting to me. >> yes. well, the argument that of course white house officials make direct ed by the white house, at least that won't testify, others have, is that they cannot testify because it breaches an absolute immunity they have ...

They felt that, quite frankly, his presence would be a real ball and chain on their case and they didn't want any part of it. they opposed it in which part mulvaney withdrew and said he was going to file his own suit. >> we have seen assertions of absolute immunity and vague references to privilege with the white house but no specific invocations thereof. talk about that concept, which is interesting to me. >> yes. well, the argument that of course white house officials make directed by the white house, at least that won't testify, others have, is that they cannot testify because it breaches a...

That yet let me ask you this. since you are the critic for "the new york times" what is your critique and how well is the book written? >> the writing is very clear. the person puts together, i think, a very methodical case of the things that they have seen in the past few years in the white house. i wouldn't say that the writing is necessarily quite beautiful to my ear, but that is maybe just a malts of taste. i mean, there is a lot of invocations of, you know, quotations from presidents like teddy roosevelt, eisenhower, you know? it's cast in those terms and then different events that are re...

This dual loyalty that others have been making against today lieutenant colonel alexander vindman, who has no dual loyalty, he has shrapnel as part of fighting in iraq. but you say there is more to it than that. >> he's a jewish refugee from ukraine and came to the us at the age of 3. when you accuse a jewish member of the country that is an anti-semitic trope if not smear and a president who called adam schiff shifty schiff so he's not afraid of these kind of things. the whole of the process is in bad faith. you mentioned mistrial is not a thing. all of that precedent invocations are not thin...

Wrong, they're telling the students to stop exercising their freedom. but these students along with students across the country understand that when someone tells you freedom isn't as free as they thought it would be, they're right to get upset about it. what we've done at first liberty .org is to encourage these students along with the administrators throughout the country that as long as it's student-initiated and student-led on the sidelines or over the loud speaker is perfectly acceptable under the constitution. >> let's look at a statement saying that the supreme court struck down invocat...