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now, the department, they want to take the muzzle off, of course. and keep in mind, when two former pence aides testified to the federal grand jury, there had been a deal that had already been negotiated in advance to try to steer clear of any of their direct interactions with trump. that happens through the same approach we've seen used by the house select committee. the fact that the doj is dotting their is and crossing their ts and preparing for a court privilege signals that if information is what you want, negotiation approach, let alone the muzzle, suspect going to cut it. reme...

Heye with me. but let's bring in the white house economics reporter for the "washington post." we're all going to have a wimbledon stare at you right now as we look to you to give us the expertise. look, tomato/tomato. they're saying it's not a recession, but is that technical definition, does that really ring true for people? is it true we're not really in one? or are we talking about semantics? >> so, the white house is correct that at some level two negative levels of gdp growth does not necessarily mean we are in a recession. looks at a range of sta tistics many of which are positive, unem...