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Radicalized. and on the other hand a criminal who knows how to avoid police, who knows how to avoid protection, how do get weapons -- exactly. and that combination, that hybrid, if you will, has given rice to this new kind of terrorist which is all the more tough and difficult for intelligence forces to find. >> a new kind of terrorist who are we're hearing is able to be radicalized so much more quickly. within a matter of weeks. and you know where they are taken first and how it works. >> it is really interesting because when you talk to different jihadis inside syria and iraq t most dangerou...

And legit nation. >> these are disturbed people who have latched onto something? >> this is what we need to -- instead of really collapsing, i mean, the social sciences, tough break down. al qaeda no longer exists it is in disarray, we are talking about a fringe -- a fringe interest. i'm not staying is not dangerous. . the good news is al qaeda does not exist as a central -- as amaka maker it is beheaded in iraq t is decapitated in afghanistan. good news also. but bad news is that pakistan, as it is evidence, is the problem more and more today. so maybe it is not call, maybe not to be called a...