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>> jim, there's this very funny thing happening now where the idea is that it's going to blow up the deficit but it will pay for itself with added growth and then some rps saying, what if it doesn't? what if our projections are wrong? put a trigger in the bill to automatically shrink the deficit, calling the bluff a bit. the other republicans assess, god no, we can't did that. how significant do you think that is? >> i have no idea because i like you and everyone else has no idea how this trigger's going to work. so until we see the details it's difficult to war game it out. again, yes, the ir...

Idea is that it's going to blow up the deficit but it will pay for itself with added growth and then some rps saying, what if it doesn't? what if our projections are wrong? put a trigger in the bill to automatically shrink the deficit, calling the bluff a bit. the other republicans assess, god no, we can't did that. how significant do you think that is? >> i have no idea because i like you and everyone else has no idea how this trigger's going to work. so until we see the details it's difficult to war game it out. again, yes, the irony, your bottom-line point is correct. the irony of that argu...

Consistent. that's why -- here's another thing. i'm so happy because it proves my point, that you can move on. that you can make an impression on a party, on a political establishment, and you can move on. and look, today bernie sanders, he did something to me magical and to me great. he introduced a bill that said $100 billion, and we're going to rebuild puerto rico. i'm excited about that. >> and that's one of the fights that's going to be happening as well as daca. i want to have you come back in the weeks to come to talk about that, because that is owbviousl going to be front of mind. >> c...

My point, that you can move on. that you can make an impression on a party, on a political establishment, and you can move on. and look, today bernie sanders, he did something to me magical and to me great. he introduced a bill that said $100 billion, and we're going to rebuild puerto rico. i'm excited about that. >> and that's one of the fights that's going to be happening as well as daca. i want to have you come back in the weeks to come to talk about that, because that is obviously going to be front of mind. >> chewy garcia is the leader of bernie sanders' revolution in chicago and he's goi...

Republicans, to place blame for a shutdown on the irnt party even though that's exactly what the president is trying to pull off. >> if that happens i would absolutely blame the democrats. fit happens it's going to be over illegals pouring into the country, crime pouring into the country, no border wall, which everybody wants. i got elected partially because of a border wall. >> joining me, democratic senator tim kaine of virginia, member of the budget committee that voted to move forward with that republican tax bill. let's start with the possibility of a shutdown that looms december 8th. how...