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Be terrorism list. you wanted to engage them, hope you could bring them into some kind of rationale. >> no. rationality and north korea should never be in the same sentence. >> bill: all right. >> what i wanted was to get inspectors on the ground. north koreans to begin to dismantle nuclear capability for plutonium bomb. i know more on the ground. >> bill: disagreement that happens. >> it's a substantive disagreement. these things happen all the time. not personal substantive. >> bill: it was personal in cheney's book and rumsfeld book. he talked down to you. said you were academic. you wanted...

Be terrorism list. you wanted to engage them, hope you could bring them into some kind of rationale. >> no. rationality and north korea should never be in the same sentence. >> bill: all right. >> what i wanted was to get inspectors on the ground. north koreans to begin to dismantle nuclear capability for plutonium bomb. i know more on the ground. >> bill: disagreement that happens. >> it's a substantive disagreement. these things happen all the time. not personal substantive. >> bill: it was personal in cheney's book and rumsfeld book. he talked down to you. said you were academic. you wanted...

Be terrorism list. you wanted to engage them, hope you could bring them into some kind of rationale. >> no. rationality and north korea should never be in the same sentence. >> bill: all right. >> what i wanted was to get inspectors on the ground. north koreans to begin to dismantle nuclear capability for plutonium bomb. i know more on the ground. >> bill: disagreement that happens. >> it's a substantive disagreement. these things happen all the time. not personal substantive. >> bill: it was personal in cheney's book and rumsfeld book. he talked down to you. said you were academic. you wanted...