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Because the reason why i prefaced the question the way i did is -- is that, you know, pence sort of represents the establishment wing of the republican party. and it seems that the establishment wing of the republican party is incapable of knocking donald trump off the stage. incapable of taking the party away from him. and that -- that moment, that mike pence had the other night, just seems to be another example of it. >> well, i -- i agree. but, first, let me just say that, for him to describe that like we don't agree about that day that happened is akin, to me, it's like mary lincoln talkin...

Pay for themselves with more growth, they give you more growth, so you get some more revenue but if you say cut taxes by a billion dollars, you get back $300 million in revenue. mr. mnuchin and his chief economist in the administration kevin hasset, especially kevin hasset she should be defrocked for claiming that the tax cut to pay for itself, no economist liberal or conservative, that is akin -- rob: we have to cut spending? entitlements and defense. all right. >> the minimum wage would increase employment of low-wage workers, that was absolute you know -- rob: we have to go. jillian: got to...

Meat. again, i just wonder how much of this are for the people who voted for him? >> well, a classic example is on a thursday, the cia is akin to the nazi, germany, way they treat people. on saturday, he is up to the cia and says no one loves the cia more than i do and standing in front of the wall with all of the former agents from around the world. but an extension of his campaign, frankly. this is the same way that he campaigned and we do have to remember, this is the president that the people chose under the electoral college. he is doing everything that he said at that time that he would ...

Over with a bag of birth control pills every month. i mean, it's really embarrassing for the party. >> it's also playing to a base constituency and sort of driving a narrative that in large measure, it does not resonate beyond that -- >> but who is the base? >> he's pretending to denounce it while reinforcing it. >> what about this line. i'm no expert, believe it or not. they can't control their reproductive system. what is that? >> well, that's akin -- who was the person that talked about legitimate rape and if you're legitimately raped, your body will self-abort? >> and next, we remember how...

>> i think she had the best week. i think the worst week has been the gun control advocacies and advocates. i think we need to do something about it. >> erin, your take? >> worst most certainly todd akin and his run for that senate seat against clair mccaskill. the best, i'd say, is vice president biden. biden came out in support of him this week and if i talk of him being ditched from the republican ticket. he has to ride the storm out with the rest of us. >> susan, how about your pick? >> the worst, i agree with erin, is akin. he shouldn't even be in office anymore for those kind of statemen...