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To have an administration -- this is -- the justice department is trump's justice department, and therefore, it's his fbi, and he's underwriting their credibility. and had ae's conducting it like political campaign. he's now saying he has no intention of firing mueller, but he's saying that because he knows that there's no public opinion that would support that. so what he's trying do is undermine the fbi, and therefore, mueller, so he can get at this idea of undermining mueller, either by firing him or somehow limiting what he's able to do in his investigation. so, that's the process that the...

This, just listen to him yesterday. >> i think, john, there will be an uprising and revolt. i think that's just beyond the pale. i don't think it's being considered. i get no indication from those at the white house that this is something they're thinking about, but there would be an uprising. that would be something that would not be tolerated, period. >> he's talking, congressman, about any move to remove bob mueller as special counsel. the white house has said as much, the white house counsel has said as much, the president has said as much. what are you basing your accusations on? >> well,...

Last week this is coming to a close. this investigation is winding down. let me assure you, mr. president, when one of your aides gets immunity and when your personal assistant is being questioned, not only is it not winding down, it is moving quickly in of a different direction. >> the heat is on. ben, last point. >> yes, i would just agree with that. obviously it's not winding down. he is muddying the jury pool. he is convincing some people that the fbi is corrupt, mueller's corrupt. mueller will either have the goods on obstruction and collusion with russia or he won't. we have to wait and ...

>> if one person can be persecuted by an instrument of the government at one standard and another can't, what does it mean to all of us? should we fear our fbi? >> there is a cleansing needed in our fbi and department of justice. it needs to be cleansed of individuals who should not just be fired but who need to be taken out in handcuffs. >> mueller is corrupt. the senior fbi is corrupt. the system is corrupt. >> his conflicts of interest, his clear bias, the corruption are on full display. mueller is frankly a disgrace to the american justice system. >> for more, i'm joined by joy reid, host ...

>> mueller is corrupt. the senior fbi is corrupt. the system is corrupt. >> what do you think of those attacks? >> look, i think that they are clearly an effort to try and discredit the team, the office of the special counsel and the steady work that they've been doing. what we've seen over in less than eight months is four individuals charged. two have pled guilty. and a steady process for this investigation moving without comment from the office of the special counsel. they've been doing their speaking in court. and so these attacks are i think a very, very disturbing effort to discredit the...