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>> epa? >> epa. there you go. no. >> let's talk -- >> seriously? is epa the one you were talking about? >> no, sir. we were talking about the agencies of government -- the epa needs to be rebuilt. no doubt about that. >> but you can't name the third one? >> the third agency of government i would do away with. the education, the -- >> commerce. >> commerce. and let's see. i can't. the third one i can't. sorry. oops. >> oops is right. the epa needs to be rebuilt? i don't think the koch brothers want to hear that. perry's televised senior moment at last night's cnbc debate prompted an apology tou...

>> epa. there you go. no. >> let's talk -- >> seriously? is epa the one you were talking about? >> no, sir. we were talking about the agencies of government -- the epa needs to be rebuilt. no doubt about that. >> but you can't name the third one? >> the third agency of government i would do away with. the education, the -- >> commerce. >> commerce. and let's see. i can't. the third one i can't. sorry. oops. >> oops is right. the epa needs to be rebuilt? i don't think the koch brothers want to hear that. perry's televised senior moment at last night's cnbc debate prompted an apology tour this m...

>> yeah, five, okay. so commerce, education, and the um, um, the -- >> epa? >> epa, there you go! no, not -- >> seriously? is epa the one you were talking about? >> no, sir. no, sir. we were talking about the, um, agencies of government -- the epa needs to be rebuilt, no doubt about that. >> but you can't name the third one? >> the third agency of government. i would do away with education, the, um -- >> commerce. >> commerce. and let's see, i can't. the third one, i can't. i'm sorry. oops. >> well, that's a heck of an oops there, mr. schrum, and i don't expect you to be generous in your criti...

>> you need five. >> let's see, commerce, education and the -- >> epa? >> epa, there you go. no. >> seriously? is epa the one you were talking about? >> no, sir, no, sir. we were talking about the agencies -- epa needs to be rebuilt, no doubt about it. >> but you can't name the third one? >> the third agency of government, i would do away with education, the -- >> commerce. >> -- commerce and, let's see -- i can't. the third one i can't. sorry. oops. about 20 minutes later, perry finally recalled the third agency. simplgts by the way, that was the department of energy i was reaching for a wh...

There you go. >> let's talk -- >> seriously? >> is epa the one you were talking about? >> no, sir, we were talking about the agencies of government. epa needs to be rebuilt, there's no doubt about that. >> you can't name the third one. >> the third agency of government, i would do away with education, the -- commerce -- and let's see, i can't the third one i can't, i'm sorry. oops. >> john? >> tough. >> well, look, everybody has these moments in life. >> not everybody. >> everybody has -- >> everybody's had them -- >> let's underline that. >> not on this big of stage. >> everybody's had that i...