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Better than that? against president biden who is very very vulnerable. >> i want to listen to an exchange on abortion. >> one talking about a federal ban be honest with the american people. we only had 45 pro-life senators and hundred years so no republican president can ban abortions any more than a democrat president can ban those state laws. >> is haley right or is pence -- >> it's fine for a candidate like pence to come out and layout an ambition, but nikki haley, the practical realities of this, you need 60 senators to get across a 15 week abortion bannon i don't see that happening anytim...

>> to be honest, i haven't watched it that closely, chuck. i watched and go. georgia has been so bizarre this year, i have sort of declared, you know, intellectual bankruptcy. i don't understand. >> you are shocked that roy barnes might win another term? >> well, i was shocked by a lot this year. >> haley barbour dropped a mail piece, on behalf of 2010 governors in iowa. think some people have been on the fence about is haley -- how serious is haley about running? this is something that serious candidates do. >> well, i have made some calls, i have talked to people who know -- think they know,...