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Spiral. >> how much is there a disconnect between the numbers and how people feel on the ground vaughn hill arrestyard t people and they are seemingly willing to ride it out. who what are voters making of what the president keeps crowing about in. >> i do hear from a lot of voters in thelo upper midwest these repeated talking points that he is helping unemployment rates go down, but at the same time, although people recognize that they seegh more jobs poppi upre in their area, they either talk about how they have three jobs that they are stitching together orha they are still living paycheck t...

>> i was going to say -- >> let me defer to him. >> the worst thing for four years in the state department was saying, you know, ben rhodes is on the phone. >> i knew i did something wrong. >> it was only given out of order. i was going to say, they will land with this happened. it was a quid pro quo but we don't think it's impeachment. i that i is depressing and dangerous. ful if you're saying he corrupted our entire foreign policy and a country invaded to investigate the political opponents and we have no problem with that, we're in a new place as a country. and that's what the republicans w...

So josh is exactly right. if you look at their transcripts and the questions they're asking, it's going to kind of reveal a lot about what are the conspiracy theories that they're trying to see here? the whistle-blower, his identity is inconsequential to this anyway. >> it's almost like ben knows a little about being at the other end of it. we know bill taylor's name and vindman, i bet most people don't know the name of the witness that went in the day that matt gates and his band tried to storm the castle. that's what got attention. i think it was kathy -- >> defense department official. >> y...

Quo. it doesn't matter. why are we arguing about that at all? >> as all of this played out, we played you this comprehensive look at what happened over the course of the week. but things get out there and maybe they're taken back. liz cheney criticizes them. we walk them back a little bit. i think john yu did that. but they're out there. and that's a real peril of this time that we're in and something this president pioneered. throw something out there, maybe walk away from it. but it's out there. and it's going to be repeated over and over again. >> and two words, every single time fox news. ...

People correcting the fact that it's not okay to drag someone's character in the way that he did with this person, i mean, that -- those conspiracy theories and characterizations are then perpetuated even further in the attempts to clean it you were or walk it back. >> there's a real problem here. there is a wonderful organization called first draft that worries about this. he said we should not amplify the bad messages. there is a tipping point. when it get on fox news, you have no choice but to debunk it. >> den rhodes, was this a turning point in some way? if you look over last few years, t...