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Way to accommodate him so there is not an artificial clash and thus bolster his regime. i think it's complicated enough to bring isis down which i hope will happen sooner rather than later. the last thing we need to do to arrive at some kind of understanding that preserve assad in power and assad in lebanon. it's fine to eliminate isis the sooner the better. but we have to look at in effect what the next conflict in the region is going to be. >> what is that conflict and how do we achieve the goals you just laid out? >> the second conflict is under way. a struggle in the region between a coali...

We need to speak well of america's majesty and the glorious lady liberty but if you miles from here because right now, we should not be turning our backs. we should be using immigration to complement the areas of our economy that are fledging or need support, it we should make sure we roll up and put isis down, no doubt, that is our job. >> jenna: i speak for our viewers that we appreciate both your thoughts in the conversation. it will continue, thank you michael, thank you, here is sean spicer. >> press secretary spicer: example of real-world results the trump administration is getting in it...

Symbolic victory and a positive sign. it's cautious optimism. isis wants the caliphate. they want to own that territory and lure in mesh american forces on the ground to fight us in the ground, on the battlefield. to show isis they're not afraid, they will press on. with the help of advisers and air power, we can stymie the satellite line and the western front that isis partially controls. >> it's very difficult, though, to pin isis down. they are very good at changing tactics and melting away, at hitting back and hitting back hard. what do you expect to happen next? >> i expect the same thing...

Holidays. we were wanting reassurance. where is it? as was mentioned earlier, the next thing we'll see is him eating an iceee while in hawai'i for the holidays. >> part of the reassurance comes from an active military campaign to attempt to shut isis down, and also to disrupt recruiting and disrupt propaganda. he made a point of that. that propaganda, people feel threatened by a group that can recruit in the united states and do what happened in san bernardino. at the end of the day there were no new initiatives. those who were hoping the president would say, we are going to commit in a major ...

Assad, more complicatcomplicate. how do you harness military forces in the three or four different countries you need to get them on the ground working effectively together to actually shut isis down. it's a very difficult task. it's one the french are certainly in on now, but it's one that needs an awful lot more cohesion to make happen as jim knows himself. erin? >> nick paton walsh. thank you very much. jim sciutto staying with me. i want to bring former cia operative back into the conversation. bob this involving the reporting on one of the suspects who is now at large international manhun...