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To do everything it can to make sure that these kids don't fall into the isis trap. when you look at the pilot program launched by the white house in these states minnesota among them recently do you think something like that is going to be effective? these pilot programs to really try to get to the root of this disenfranchisement? or is it frankly hiring a ton more people to scour through social media to find warning signs. >> you're asking a government guy about hiring a ton more people. let me give you a serious answer. i think it can be effective, but there are so many people getting invol...

Involvement in the fight. let's bring in "time" editor at large carl vick. glad to have you here. why does "time" cause this the isis trap? >> there's a couple of answers to that. one, in the cover story, it's pointed out the real trap is if you start something, you don't know how it's going to end. we saw it with the iraq war. any time you have a major military operation, you say you want to remove somebody that's as far as the popular thinking the popular impulse is. and to sort of think through the end game for the extraction of troops but also what the end state is. we spent more than a de...

It's fast in the break room. fast in the conference room. fast in tom's office. fast in other tom's office. fast in the foyer [pronounced foy-yer] or is it foyer [pronounced foy-yay]? fast in the hallway. i feel like i've been here before. switch now and get the fastest wifi everywhere. comcast business. built for business. let's bring in "time" magazine editor nancy gibbs. magazine magazine's new magazine is great. "the isis trap." after reading this do i have a better idea how this ends? >> well, that's the question we have to be asking everyone whether they're arcing we should go in or st...