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And with leaders. and the taliban are trying to pick their base, place this find in common, and hour the strong men, who has the guns and who's using it. so some notion that the taliban which is not a functioning government -- remember, this is a terrorist organization who supported terrorists -- is now in charge. and now they're saying they're going to keep isis-k out. i just don't buy it. most national security folks that i know and have talked to and have confidence in don't buy it either. so, that's what you're going to see, the last few fits here is the last thing to do, remember, this is...

Going to the airport there. >> yeah. >> it is believed that isis-k carried out this attack. what is the view inside kabul of this organization from the people there? what is their overall presence insofar as you can tell? >> i mean, the few people i talked to about this are pretty much talking to me in private and also in background because nobody wants to put themselves out there talking ill about isis-k or the taliban for that matter in fear of being targeted. but i think nobody -- everybody knows nobody likes the isis-k out here. they've been claiming responsibility to a lot, a lot of attac...

Address the kitchen table needs of the american public by providing better healthcare, by providing childcare, that sort of thing is as i said before just a little bit insulting. >> bill: okay, maybe you could do it with less than $3.5 trillion then. >> maybe so. that's what congress will be debating in the next couple of months. >> bill: thank you for your time. breaking news. jim himes democrat from connecticut. back to the big news in kabul. we're hearing about an explosion that has just taken place at the airport in kabul. the warning we're getting late last night and overnight and admiral...