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Enforcement person in any city. you get direction from the mayor to do whatever, then that's what you're going to do. >> commissioner bratton is defending the mayor, i understand that, that's what employees do, but i think in the long term or even the short term, it will lead to increased violence. and young people, mostly young people of color losing their lives, not just in new york, but in america. >> you talk about your tenure, 12 years as new york city's police commissioner, it was on your watch that this chapter, this islamic terror chapter began with ramzi yousef bombing the twin towers...

Dedicated to killing people, and certainly new york has seen 16 plots against it on the bloomberg watch, people wab the to come here and kill americans, they're radical and they happen to be islamic. >> tell me if i have this straight, ray kelly, a bachelor's from manhattan college? >> correct. >> a j.d. from st. john's? >> yes. >> a master of law from nyu and the kennedy school at harvard. >> right. >> how important was your educational background and constantly reaching for higher education to all the success you've had in law enforcement? >> it certainly helped me. the job gets increasingly...

Effect? >> i do. i think the police have done a terrific job in this country in the last two decades reducing crime by proactive policing. i think that the videos we have seen, what happened in ferguson, even though the police officer was ultimately exonerated, brought about a reluctance on part of some of the police to engage in a way they have been engaging in the past. >> in the book on page 294, you finish a particular chapter by saying people will lose lives as a result. and you're talking in that discussion about mayor de blasio reigning in. i know you don't like these words, stop and fr...

Freedom or is she more like an american version of the taliban? by the way, when i asked that question on my website, 902 people voted and said, taliban-like by 68%. on cnn i asked my guest, family research council president tony perkins the following question. here's another hypothetical, imagine that it's not the marriage bureau, it's the dmv. and that there's a muslim clerk who takes the position that the islamic faith doesn't recognize the right of women to drive and this person says, well, i'm not going to give driver's licenses to female drivers a la saudi arab arabia. we could go crazy ...

Last saturday i talked about the case of kim davis, the kentucky clerk who's become a national lightning rod after being jailed for her refusal to issue gay marriage licenses. is this woman in jail because she's being her relidge out freedom or is she more like an american version of the taliban? when i asked that question often my website, 902 people voted and said, taliban like. on cnn, i asked my guest tony perkins the following question. here's another hypothetical, imagine it's not the marriage bureau, it's the dmv and there's a muslim clerk who takes the position that the islamic faith d...