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The midst of that the united states seems to be disliked by everyone and they've lost influence in the -- in terms of how well we can control the situation. help control it. >> and charles, on the note that the muslim brotherhood does have a lot of support. there's a lot of opposition from many different quarters to that group as well. >> well, obviously the largest, the most organized, and disciplined of all the elements, all the parties in egypt. however, it is not a majority. it isn't even close to a majority. and what was so remarkable about the demonstrations that led to the overthrow of ...

Went unanswered. shannon? >> alicia, thank you. south africa's government is insisting the former president nelson mandela is not in a vegetative state. it says mandela is in critical but stable condition. a close friend says he was conscious and responsive earlier this week. pope francis has cleared the way to sainthood for two of his predecessors. the pope approved a second miracle attributed to john paul ii. and he decided to make john xxiii a saint despite the absence of a confirmed second miracle. it is getting bloody in egypt. we'll talk abo dad. how did you get here? i don't know....

That today they were calling the friday of rejection. basically saying for the muslim brotherhood folks and their supporters peacefully resist, but, but -- >> i'm actually surprised the death toll was only 30. we saw footage earlier that slowed crowds in the streets not just in cairo, but all over egypt. and the truth of the matter is we don't know how far this can go. because the muslim brotherhood is a very, very big organization in egypt. whether you like them or not. they have a lot of grassroots support. and all -- or many of those people now feel that they've been thwarted. they played b...

We'll be perceived to have democratic legitimacy, this is a one shot at stopping the muslim brotherhood from islamifying egypt and they took their shot. >> there's been a lot of talk among the administration about what we do or don't call this. our former ambassador to the u.n. john bolton talked about this and why the u.s. may or may not be use being the word coup and what difference it really makes. here's what he said. >> all of this talk about why the administration can't call it a coup, you know, can't speak the truth, really conceals the fact that in virtually all of our foreign assistan...

>> and there's been some speculation about why the military acted as it did. it said there had been long ongoing discussions with morsi about trying to find some other kind of outcome. but there's also talk, jonah, there have been talks that there was possibly an infiltration or possible coup in the offing within the military itself of the muslim brotherhood. >> right. the analogy, it's funny, i was actually in israel, i was talking to some high-ranking israeli officials in 2011 when the original arab spring was going on and they all thought the rosiest, best-case scenario was that egypt would...