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Russia, that it would more likely there would be some sort of swap? >> it would have gone very differently from a legal perspective. i don't think she would have been in jail for as long and the russians would have been more aggressive about cutting some sort of diplomatic or some sort of spy deal. >> tom, of all the trump associates who had contact with russians during the campaign, right now it's 16 by cnn's count, it's easy to get mired in the details of this. but that's just not normal, is it? >> it is not normal, and that's what we've heard from people involved with presidential campaigns...

. the president of the united states cease it as a possibility he could be impeachment after democrats take control of the house. is source also saying the president isn't certain it will happen but he's expressed concern. back with the panel. at the same time we're hearing the president thinks there's a possibility he could be impeached, there's also reporting the white house is adopting a shrug shoulder strategy tot mueller findings. they believe most of the g gop-based voters will believe whoever the president tells them to believe. >> i want to pick up on a point carrie made just before ...