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It's another example of the energy war they are waging against... that's my point. you are still vulnerable to the energy war. yes, we're still vulnerable, and that's why, again, we have to do this very difficultjob to become energy independent, to be stronger, because, of course, should we be as strong as we would like it to be, we would not be discussing now this military threat. they would not even dare to, again, scare the whole world with this full—scale war against ukraine. but it's a deeper issue than just saying to me, "ah, well, you know, we're undergoing a transition and we will be...

"ah, well, you know, we're undergoing a transition and we will be stronger in energy terms as well as...", you know, "..strengthening ourselves in military terms. you've got a big cultural problem in ukraine. you are, according to all of the independent analysis, a country that is ravaged by endemic corruption, which goes to the very heart of government and your corporate life, and that isn't changing. that weakens your country terribly, doesn't it? it is changing. in 2014, again, when i came back to naftogaz, it was the biggest source of corruption in ukraine, and this corruption was based on...

Are waging against... that's my point. you are still vulnerable to the energy war. yes, we're still vulnerable, and that's why, again, we have to do this very difficultjob to become energy independent, to be stronger, because, of course, should we be as strong as we would like it to be, we would not be discussing now this military threat. they would not even dare to, again, scare the whole world with this full—scale war against ukraine. but it's a deeper issue than just saying to me, "ah, well, you know, we're undergoing a transition and we will be stronger in energy terms as well as...", yo...

We're undergoing a transition and we will be stronger in energy terms as well as...", you know, "..strengthening ourselves in military terms. you've got a big cultural problem in ukraine. you are, according to all of the independent analysis, a country that is ravaged by endemic corruption, which goes to the very heart of government and your corporate life, and that isn't changing. that weakens your country terribly, doesn't it? it is changing. in 2014, again, when i came back to naftogaz, it was the biggest source of corruption in ukraine, and this corruption was based on imports of russian g...

You are, according to all of the independent analysis, a country that is ravaged by endemic corruption, which goes to the very heart of government and your corporate life, and that isn't changing. that weakens your country terribly, doesn't it? it is changing. in 2014, again, when i came back to naftogaz, it was the biggest source of corruption in ukraine, and this corruption was based on imports of russian gas. again, these big oligarchs, the most corrupt people in ukraine, got their power from this import of russian gas. there were some swiss companies as middle men. they were buying tv chan...