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BBCNEWS HARDtalk February 14, 2022 04:51:00 - Vimarsana News

BBCNEWS HARDtalk February 14, 2022 04:51:00

The guy who was head of naftogaz, who, according to all of the independent analysis, was doing a very good job. to quote the former us ambassador to ukraine, mr kobolyev, who was doing the job, "was as clean as they come. he was fearless in pursuit of reform." that from the us ambassador. but he was turfed out because zelensky wanted you, his great mate, to take over naftogaz. what does that tell us about corporate culture in ukraine? this quote of the us ambassador, marie yovanovitch, was made in 2017 or �*18, when i was number two at naftogaz. i was the executive director of naftogaz. so d...

BBCNEWS HARDtalk February 14, 2022 00:51:00 - Vimarsana News

BBCNEWS HARDtalk February 14, 2022 00:51:00

I was the executive director of naftogaz. so did you share her assessment that your boss, who was then turfed out by zelensky, was as clean as they come and fearless in pursuit of reform? at that time, again, the person that you are mentioning was my boss. i was in charge of all the important reforms. the fight against gazprom corruption, stockholm arbitration, and he was my boss. and when he was fired by the government, for a very obvious reason, naftogaz, unfortunately, became loss—making. so, when i left naftogaz in the first quarter of 2020, immediately naftogaz became loss—making. and...

BBCNEWS HARDtalk February 14, 2022 04:50:00 - Vimarsana News

BBCNEWS HARDtalk February 14, 2022 04:50:00

That weakens your country terribly, doesn't it? it is changing. in 2014, again, when i came back to naftogaz, it was the biggest source of corruption in ukraine, and this corruption was based on imports of russian gas. again, these big oligarchs, the most corrupt people in ukraine, got their power from this import of russian gas. there were some swiss companies as middle men. they were buying tv channels, again, plants and everything. we stopped it in 2014, so i can share my personal experience of how we fight corruption. with respect, your very career is symbolic of the fact that things are n...

BBCNEWS HARDtalk February 15, 2022 04:50:00 - Vimarsana News

BBCNEWS HARDtalk February 15, 2022 04:50:00

Came back to naftogaz, it was the biggest source of corruption in ukraine, and this corruption was based on imports of russian gas. again, these big oligarchs, the most corrupt people in ukraine, got their power from this import of russian gas. there were some swiss companies as middle men. they were buying tv channels, again, plants and everything. we stopped it in 2014, so i can share my personal experience of how we fight corruption. with respect, your very career is symbolic of the fact that things are not changing. you were appointed energy minister, acting energy minister, because the pa...

BBCNEWS HARDtalk February 15, 2022 04:49:00 - Vimarsana News

BBCNEWS HARDtalk February 15, 2022 04:49:00

It's another example of the energy war they are waging against... that's my point. you are still vulnerable to the energy war. yes, we're still vulnerable, and that's why, again, we have to do this very difficultjob to become energy independent, to be stronger, because, of course, should we be as strong as we would like it to be, we would not be discussing now this military threat. they would not even dare to, again, scare the whole world with this full—scale war against ukraine. but it's a deeper issue than just saying to me, "ah, well, you know, we're undergoing a transition and we will be...