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Trump says he may not, you know, be so into the results of the election? >> i think it was really a tragedy for him when he said that at the same time george bush's letter to bill clinton came out that showed how gracious he was with the transfer of power. that's one of the fundamental tenets of democracy. you don't say i'm not going to accept the will of the people. the more people see and hear from donald trump, the more he frightens people. >> i want to talk about the female vote. donald trump isn't doing well with females generally speaking across the country. you are both women, obviously...

Right. the fundamentals are the fundamentals. the map is the same and the math is the same. it's a much harder road for him to get 270, but more than that donald trump isn't doing what he needs to do. he hasn't invested in data and kate can tell you how much strong data program is going to help on election day, or on gotv or on field. now romney had 17% of the white vote in 2012 and he lost. because of the demographic changes in the country, trump would need 22% -- >> you mean a lead of 17%, above the -- >> yeah, i'm sorry. margin. >> if donald trump was getting 17% of the white vote we'd be l...

Pluth give interviews and he was unflappable. his whole thing was you guys are all freaking out. the fundamentals are the fundamentals. we know how many votes we need in each of these counties and swing states, we know what the composition of the electorate is. don't worry about it. that to me seemed unpersuasive then but maybe looks better now? >> yeah, well, i think he's right. the fundamentals are the fundamentals. the map is the same and the math is the same. it's a much harder road for him to get 270, but more than that donald trump isn't doing what he needs to do. he hasn't invested in d...

By virtue of being born to my mother in calgary i was a citizen by birth. >> the leading republican candidates also clashed on the issues. trump accused cruz of opposing ethanol in iowa because of support from the oil lobby. cruz took a different position than trump on a deportation force to catch those in the u.s. illegally. >> door-to-door we don't have any system that knocks on the doors of every person in america. that is not actually how the american law enforcement system works. we also don't have people going door to door looking for murderers. we don't live in a police state. no, i don...

Fight. that's part of his sell. but you're right as well, this is not his event. he does not hang the prolonged substantive discussions on issues very well. >> chris brought this up earlier how nobody is talking about jeb bush. he's just not in the discussion. and when he has been in the discussion, it's always the same. it's always, gee, do you think he can do any better this time. >> i think -- i don't think it's make or break anymore for jeb bush. and that's why we're not talking about him. we're talking about the candidates who are on the rise, not the candidates who are falling. and i thi...