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It could be just for a fact-finding here. we need a public hearing whey they can assess the honesty of the witnesses, the credibility of the witnesses, where they can support the conclusion of the mueller case. reading the transcripts isn't enough. you don't get the same feeling. did a poll today at a luncheon about cohen and his credibility. before then they had believed he was credible. if they had read the transcript, they wouldn't have believed he was credible. >> thanks. i want to bring you in. you've been doing parallel work, so there's been a lot of parallel activism whether there's chi...

Ongoing impeachment inquiry. it could be for just a fact finding hearing. we need a public hearing where people can assess the honesty of the witnesses, the credibility off the witnesses, where they can support the conclusion of the mueller case. reading the transcripts isn't enough. you don't get the same feeling. i did a poll at a luncheon about how they felt about koen and his credibility and after his testimony, they believed he was kr credible. befear that they didn't. and if they had read the transcript, they wouldn't have believed he was credible. >> want to brin in executive director o...

We need a public hearing where people can assess the honesty of the witnesses, the credibility off the witnesses, where they can support the conclusion of the mueller case. reading the transcripts isn't enough. you don't get the same feeling. i did a poll at a luncheon about how they felt about koen and his credibility and after his testimony, they believed he was kr credible. befear that they didn't. and if they had read the transcript, they wouldn't have believed he was credible. >> want to brin in executive director of move on civic action. you've been doing parallel work. there's been a lo...

>> -- about it and had a third accident, that would be catastrophic financially and reputation wise. my point is there simply isn't enough evidence and, yes, you're correct about the software change to the flight control computer. that was discovered as a result, so far, of the lion air investigation. but that in and of itself, there's no proof to indicate that that had a big role to play in the accident. that investigation isn't finished. >> right. that's what we need to know. i hear you on that. that gives me a little bit of pause in being overzealous on this. ray, the head of the twu, the w...

Safety all the time. i can't tell you how many times i've investigated things. you talk about putting the doubt in people's minds about safety. here's another doubt that's going to be in people's minds, money, jeff. they're going to think if you're not taking these planes out of the air it's because of money because you've had two guy down in five months, you have all these other countries and carriers who are taking it down. why not you? >> i think the incentive of how much it would cost if faa or boeing knew that they had a hazard but didn't say anything or do anything -- >> true. >> -- abou...