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court in washington d.c., and that is where so many other charges have been brought against hundreds of january 6th defendants. judge chutkan has presided on about over 2000 of the cases. for what it's worth, she has consistently handed down tough sentences in this case is one, people have been found guilty. she's the only judge in any of the january six cases who have handed out longer sentences that doj prosecutors even asked for. you should also know that this is not judge chutkan's first-time presiding over a legal matter that involves former president donald trump. in 2021, during the congressional investigation into january six, trump suit to try to block investigators from accessing some of his records from his time in the white house, and in that lawsuit, judge ruled against. she allowed the january six investigators to access the criminal records. she did in memorable terms. she wrote in her ruling, but you might remember, quote,

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out of her way to side with trump in a way that the appeals court said was very inappropriate in an earlier case. that is the federal documents criminal chase against trump and florida. there is no such controversy that the judge overseeing the new indictment against trump and washington d.c.. the judge assigned to the case is named judge tanya check-in, see h uk t iain. she was nominated to the district court in 2014 by president obama, and not to be too productive about it, but i don't think anybody would give you a good faith fight if you described the judge as a normal judge, a very normal uncontroversial, well tested, good, mainstream smart federal judge. i think that is universally her reputation. should also tell you that this is not our first january six related case. she against its in federal

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side or on, if you want a good result. so, i think with the arraignment on thursday, those are usually pretty boring affairs and a normal case, someone enters a plea, there is an issue of bail, conditions. she made because of local rules be interested in making sure that the defendant complies with some free press fair trial rules, which is not to make statements that could prejudice a prospective jury. that is something that we saw when i was a special counsel on mueller's team, and he famously violated that as did paul manafort. i think the big issue for her is that there are now through each trials, so you had donald trump, he's been indicted for crimes before, during and after his presidency, and she is going to figure out when she will be able to slot in her

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ones where there really is quite a timeline, because depending on what happens in the election, those cases could go away. that is not true with respect to the current case and manhattan, and if there is a case in georgia, everyone's centipede also, will not go away. you can imagine the two federal judges thinking that there might be some reason for those cases. you could imagine the state judges thinking that is right. >> yeah, just to underscore the point there, i think a lot of us think about federal courts getting deference, and the federal cases go first. laetitia james, the attorney general of new york, has talked about that, which raised some eyebrows. well, in this case, as you have been talking about, alex, as these things proceed both in court and in politics, there is something that happens at the next election, which is that if trump is the republican nominee, and he is elected, he will eliminate the justice

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been prosecuted much before. donald trump, everything in his world is a case of first impression, pretty much, but they tried to stay away from that, because i think they did not want that to be about freedom of speech, even though i think it's clear that donald trump did aid and comfort insurrectionists, calling them great patriots and to never forget the day and egging them on in the middle of an insurrection saying that mike pence did not have the urge to do what was needed to be done. anyway, they've stuck with actual conduct, and they have overwhelming documentation of his intent, his guilt the mind, because he repeatedly said, and those around him repeatedly said, of course you lost the election, and there were nothing to the claims, which was on the attorney general a complete sycophant for the rest of the administration. william barr called bs. >> congressman, it's alex wagner. i wonder if you have thoughts on mark meadows.

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>> you might have made the point earlier that the panel made that the idea of saving democracy actually turned out to be a powerful factor in the midterms, as did abortion. but i am with alex. if i am the biden campaign, to go back to my old world of being in a campaign world i would go to each of these states, because one of the things that the democrats are a bit concerned about is, they are always concerned low-key about black male turnout. the turnout of black voters. i hope that it will be as robust as they needed to be to win. and obviously they are always concerned about the drift of some latino voters toward the republicans. well, if i am them, i am going to wisconsin, i am going to arizona, you know, i am going to detroit, to michigan, i am going to each of these states, to new mexico, to all of these states where the robbery was attempted, and make the case that this man attempted to steal your votes, doesn't

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public life. but, if you are badly convicted or appealing a conviction on something as serious as trying to enter democracy because of your terrible losing streak, which is where the losers stuff, he's a repeat loser of elections, and the alleged evidence of coup stuff combines into a very unpopular sandwich. and donald trump understands, and donald trump -- >> you are not unpopular sandwich, that is not what he meant. >> well, that is where that all comes together, and it is something donald trump knows because he's always calling everyone what? loser? we're accusing them of being a criminal that this person is crooked, or that person is under investigation, or what was his first impeachment about? faking a for an investigation of the bidens. he understands that. again, the case has to go forward without politics, but if we are asking a rely reality

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respect your right to vote, and that the klan act had to be used against him because of his attempt of theft, and cool, because it was not just a coup against the constitution, it was a coup against you. it was essentially saying that your vote is criminal. i would go to georgia and say remember ruby freeman and shaye moss were called drug dealers for attempting to help you vote. there were people who were trying to help their community vote, filipino voters in arizona had an attempted robbery committed against them, right? that voters in wisconsin, and all of these places had an attempted theft committed against them and that is the case for reelecting biden if you are a democrat. but i have to redo one thing, rachel, you love to do that, can i just do one quick dramatic reading for you? because i just pulled it up. ron desantis, today, he put out a statement. and he says as president, i

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department for all intensive purposes, at least as it pertains to these cases, and they will disappear, he can't pardon himself or do anything to effect as president something that happens at a state court. so there is a strategic case for the state cases to go ahead, even potentially before the federal, cases even though that what you should be the other way around. >> by the way, the states are picking up speed in terms of their prosecution of people involved in january six. today, to fix electors in michigan were indicted. the states have set very plainly that that is not the end of the road as far as the -- eye mean, michigan has said that it's not the end of the road clearly when regards to january six. bonnie fantasize been clear that she's ready to go. there is a lot of common ground in terms of her investigation with the fake electors and jack smith's investigation here, and we don't know what will happen in other states that trump targeted to disenfranchise voters there, but i think the state attorney general are fired up, ready to take up the mantle. >> just in michigan alone, as

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