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The vote of the people determining who the president of the United States is, or instead, violence and forced determining. As alleged in this indictment, he chose the latter. And he failed at it. And now the country and federal government will attempt to hold him criminally responsible for what he tried to do. For that alleged felony criminal conspiracy. We of course have been expecting this indictment for a long time but it is no less stunning for having been foreshadowed for so long. This is a federal criminal indictment of the former president for trying to overturn an election and keep him...

Through the red fizzle. and this stuff hurt. so while, you said such important things that we all take seriously, but he's legally presumed innocent, and nothing about they should be approached inside the doj or the government for partisan lands. thus far we have not seen evidence of that. and if we did we would report it. having said all of that, if we are talking about the trajectory and american, life being convicted is bad. being a defendant with a lot of evidence is bad. being a convicted person who has the right to appeal, and who definitely does, as lawrence reminded everyone of that to...

Let me start with you because you have not been part of our discussions, at least while i have been here this evening. alex wagner raised a good point earlier on, which is at the timeline is going to line right up with the presidential election process and the campaign. you know, these claims are going to be tested in court but they are also going to be tested in the court of politics. i know that president biden went to a movie, and i have to ask, what do you think this does to the campaign? >> the first thing is, we don't know yet, because this is going to have to play out in the public, whe...

Basis i.t., if it is good, no. and it is such an important point, litigating the conspiracy is, in some ways, litigating the election. because the important factual predicate to it being a conspiracy is that he knew he lost, and all the nonsense, the big lie was not true. there is a sort of substrate of the whole thing that going back to remind everyone he lost to joe biden, which in the view of republicans, joe biden such a ludicrous figure. so preposterous that she would lose to joe biden. that is the argument that trump flirted with four they're being fraud. how could me, your favorite pres...

Ones where there really is quite a timeline, because depending on what happens in the election, those cases could go away. that is not true with respect to the current case and manhattan, and if there is a case in georgia, everyone's centipede also, will not go away. you can imagine the two federal judges thinking that there might be some reason for those cases. you could imagine the state judges thinking that is right. >> yeah, just to underscore the point there, i think a lot of us think about federal courts getting deference, and the federal cases go first. laetitia james, the attorney gene...