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The senators collectively, and individually, have all said they felt they have had to rise to the historical moment. and so while there is politics here, we still are talking about a process that is kind of a hybrid. both a combination of law but also the politics that everybody is talking about. and so it's not true that they can just simply vote their kind of political baseline without -- without any kind of recourse. the oath that the senators take individually before the proceedings begin, specifically calls upon them to render impartial justice. so i think that's the place where we've got...

Political interests. that informs their judgment. the impartial party here is justice roberts. all these other jurors, as it were, are senators with c constituencies for whom they represent. so they are to behave in that manner. and in that sense, it's just like any other day in the senate. >> is that exactly how you see it? i mean, we know how vague, robert, all of this is laid out. so, you know, we have this argument where on one side, you have republicans who are saying, look, let's do it the way we did it back in 1999 with president clinton. where essentially, we laid out the -- the case f...

Shape, and the duration of a senate trial. and speaker pelosi, if she decide to send over and she's satisfied, transmit those articles of impeachment to the senate. chris. >> hans nichols, thank you so much for that. with me now, robert tsai, constitutional lieu expert a constitution law expert. noah rothman, msnbc contributor. joel pane is a democratic strategist and former director of paid media for hillary for america. natas that tas natasha joins us as well. let's start with what lisa murkowski said. and she kind of touched off a lot of conversation. look. republicans are saying no big dea...