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Into this man. what i'm hearing there is a man who at first is saying yes, instantaneously yes, if my wife wants me out, i'm out. but then he tries to keep control of the si(uation by saying, "my wife would never ask me to do that. if i get out, it really will be my decision." i mean, i'm hearing a guy who's trying to have both sides of this at the same time. is that, in your experience, a common way herman cain response to things? >> herman is definitely a person that knows what he wants. and he goes after it. and i would really be surprised if there was ever any situation that someone else c...

Family, no. >> and he never discussed his wife? >> he mentioned her name a couple of times just in passing, you know, maybe very random conversations. but it was never anything that we really spent{ a whole lot of time on. >> and atlanta's not the biggest town in the world. did you ever run into her ever in the same store together or see her at a restaurant or anything like that? >> no, never. and i never really knew what she looked like until, you know, she was appearing on the television with herman. i never knew what she looked like. >> let's take a look at that. we have a clip of her when ...

Together, did he find himself discussing his family with you? >> we never discussed his family, no. >> and he never discussed his wife? >> he mentioned her name a couple of times just in passing, you know, maybe very random conversations. but it was never anything that we really spentç a whole lot o time on. >> and atlanta's not the biggest town in the world. did you ever run into her ever in the same store together or see her at a restaurant or anything like that? >> no, never. and i never really knew what she looked like until, you know, she was appearing on the television with herman. i n...

You know, when i met herman,{ i entered into this relationship, friendship pretty much knowing, you know, number one, what you're doing is wrong. and number two, i was very intrigued. he's a very intelligent man. he is very fun-loving. he offered me a getaway. you know, a getaway from the, you know, the normal day-to-day hustle and bustle. and so he would send me tickets and fly me off, and we'd have a pretty, simple weekend. and i would return back home. he'd return to his home. and we would, you know -- he would go on with my life as normal. ç it was pretty simple. >> when you were in atla...

End. >> exactly. you know, when i met herman,ç entered into this relationship, friendship pretty much knowing, you know, number one, what you're doing is wrong. and number two, i was very intrigued. he's a very intelligent man. he is very fun-loving. he offered me a getaway. you know, a getaway from the, you know, the normal day-to-day hustle and bustle. and so he would send me tickets and fly me off, and we'd have a pretty, simple weekend. and i would return back home. he'd return to his home. and we would, you know -- he would go on with my life as normal. it was pretty simple. >> when you...