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Issue. declining population. declining economy. they are desperate for any kind of attention. and putin is trying to rally his base in order to make sure he wins reelection. that's why they are doing things like messing with our democracy in terms of getting involved on facebook and the internet. that's why we need to push back in the same way. >> is it just bluster? >> it's hard to tell. i'm sure our intelligence knows if he does and if it is or isn't invincible. people think we have this ability to defend against icbms. we have the ability to maybe intercept a rogue north korean missile. the...

Feelings? >> it definitely preceded trump. trump is the result of social trends in part due to almost two decades of the war on terrorism, the election of barack obama and a republican party that has just become more and more white and refused efforts by people within the party to diversify its base. trump is a symptom of political trends. he's not the creator of those political trends. he took advantage of them and they helped him win the presiden presidency. >> are you pessimistic that those cannot be reversed. if they can be who can possibly do it or help do it? >> i'm not a political consu...