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You know when you use the word isolationism or refer to senator rubio as taking an isolationist tact, your critics immediately say that is something they feel is maybe the pot calling the kettle black. >> that's just because they mis -- >> -- isis and others. clarify for us. >> here's the thing, shannon. the reason we point this out is to point out their hypocrisy on this and their misunderstanding of the term. because i'm one who does believe in trade and diplomacy and engagement around the world. that's the opposite of isolationism. those who have had a retrenchment and pull back and let's p...

I think we all want to defeat communism. we'd like to see representative democracy in cuba. we all want that. it's just a question whether or not engagement or isolationism is the better policy. we've had cuban isolationism for 50 years, no trade, no diplomacy. and yet it hasn't worked. so i think trade, i think travel, when they see our stuff, when they see cell phones and smartphones and ipads, and when they see all of that and when people take money down there and buy things and their economy could recover, they'll see then -- they know it instinctively they know there's great wealth in ame...

Isolationism or engagement? and i think really engaging nations -- look, for seven years we were at logger heads with the russians and we still are to a degree, yet we have an embassy there and we do trade. we do trade with cuba. it only goes one way. they don't sell anything to us, we do sell some stuff to them. but i think trade does draw us together. trade makes us much less likely to fight. we trade with china. look what happened after the vietnam war. one of the leaders opening up vietnam was john mccain. yes, we did fight with them, we lost 50,000 soldiers, but trade is a good way to imp...