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This week in quebec this is a narrative that this president is pushing that not only he is pulling out of many of these multinational deals, but he is looking to just these bilateral deals one-on-one. >> yeah. isn't isolationism. he is replacing nafta potentially with one-on-one deals and he is doing it in an erratic fashion. this is the other concern. there doesn't seem to be a rhyme and reason to where he will strike next and many allies are not confident they can communicate with the president and scrambling people like ross to try to reach the president. this is very unnerving and we are t...

And i think what nixon did opening china probably was the right thing to do. and i think we have a better chance of defeating castro with trade than we do with an embargo that just simply hasn't worked. >> i know you wrote in your op-ed let's hope cooler heads will ultimately prevail and we unleash a trade tsunami that washes the castros once and for all into the sea. is that a little too polly anna? >> i think we have the same goals. i think we all want to defeat communism. we'd like to see representative democracy in cuba. we all want that. it's just a question whether or not engagement or i...

Including senator rubio who say this is an embargo full of holes, there is all kinds of business going on back and forth, there's travel going on back and forth, how do we know the embargo would work if it's never really enforced at least not the last couple decades? >> here's the problem, if it's full of holes and doesn't work, why does he want to keep it so much? why keep something that's not working. >> actual enforcement -- >> i know. but we have to have a debate really, what is better? isolationism or engagement? and i think really engaging nations -- look, for seven years we were at logg...

But i would say i don't doubt his sincerity, but i don't think a policy of isolationism has really worked with regard to cuba. we've isolated, we haven't traded, we haven't had diplomatic relations and castros have remained in power for over 50 years and yet we trade with china, we trade with vietnam, we trade with laos. we trade with a host of countries that don't have perfect human rights records. and yet we don't trade with cuba. i think trade might loosen things up and might help to topple the castros. >> how do you respond to those including senator rubio who say this is an embargo full o...

With us tonight. >> glad to be with you, shannon. >> okay. several tweets today, not just one, there were several. are you trying to pick a fight here? what's going on? >> oh, you know, i never start a fight but i'm happy to finish a fight. i think the remarks were a little bit rude and intemperate. >> meaning yours or senator rubio's? >> well, i didn't start this, shannon, you know. what i would say is the remarks were intemperate and rude. and so we responded to them. but i would say i don't doubt his sincerity, but i don't think a policy of isolationism has really worked with regard to cuba...