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Number of hospitalizations. cases and identification of cases remains important and testing is linked to that. and we have tools. if you get tested, you have access to medical treatments. that's why it's equally important that people continue to get tested. >> and between the testing shortages, the confusing guidance from the cdc, is there a plan to get the federal covid response back on track? >> a lot of public health experts, former public health policy makers are saying now that there needs to be an urgent messaging reset to address some of this confusion that is going on out there. and ju...

Happen, yes, republicans are against it, but democrats are against it, too, and joe manchin and kyrsten sinema will shoulder a lot of the blame, when in reality, the white house understands the reality on capitol hill that this isn't going to pass, but they have to show a fight. it's an unenviable situation for the white house to be honest with you to have to get into and lean into a fight that it knows it has absolutely no chance of winning in any time in the near future. >> jake sherman and carol lee, thank you for being with me this morning. fascinating conversation. appreciate it. still ...