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In taiwan, and how their taxes are on the platform, it will invite you into a specific process to improve the tech system. and you are invited literally into a deliberative group that is partially based on technology, and it finds where people who typically in the past would've had different use on something. and whenever these different clusters of huge deserters, whenever they put their different views and agreed, that's what taiwan put to the top of their specific information system. so it's sort for consistent. it's sorts for what makes our society work better. and that should be the goal ...

Our goal is to create digital open society where democracy, plus technology equal stronger democracy, better governed, more specific participation. and taiwan is doing the best example of that. i just wanna make sure that the policy makers, as we think about, this we are not just trying to filter out a few harmful content pieces, and get 30% less of the bad stuff. we have to look for how would we be improving technology. >> yes you took the words right of our mouth, what is taiwan doing that makes it successful? >> we have a podcast where we interviewed their digital minister, their podcast is...