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Families when they get sick is that it doesn't have to be you. i mean, there are a lot of people. sure, you've got that trump wing. and absolutely, we showed the numbers tonight. 37% of the unvaccinated are white republicans. um, but it doesn't have to be like that. and if it's about being hesitant, talk to your doctor, listen to the information. let's keep these dialogues going. but if it's about this idea of a perverse exercise of freedom that is really just infringing on the freedom of everybody else, it's a problem. now, here's my one -- my one beef. i want to see the data. and i don't und...

>> what are you going to go into rural america? what are you going to do? rural america is part of america. rural america has to abide by the rules, just like anybody else. >> yeah. okay. >> don, can i -- >> what i am saying to you is each place has to be done, based on what's going to be most effective. not on something that isn't going to be effective. >> yeah, go ahead, david. go ahead, david. >> i just -- i just want to get a word in here. i agree -- i agree with john, that -- that the grassroots approach is the approach we should take. and i think the president would agree with him, as we...