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>> you saw them that night as well i take it? >> yes, i did. >> there were over two dozen photos of bruised and bloodied george zimmerman. how effective do you think that was, jose? >> i think it's effective to a certain point. what they're doing is they're taking the defense's best evidence head on. they've already admitted during their opening statements that, at some point, trayvon martin was on top of george zimmerman. so what they're showing this jury or what they're attempting to show the jury is basically this. we know there was a scuffle. we know at some point trayvon martin was gettin...

Self-defense as the defense is trying to say. so listen how mr. o'mara went after this witness. >> when was the first time you ever told anybody that you heard or saw whatever it was, movement from left to right outside of your back door? was it today? and if so, just tell us. >> i don't know if it was just today. >> okay. i'll ask it this way. could it be that the first time you mentioned this new piece of evidence was just now as you testified? >> it could be. i don't know. >> reporter: this touches upon a sore spot for the defense, because they maintained in the past they believe that in di...

I know you wanted the zimmerman parents -- george zimmerman's parents to be able to be in the courtroom. they won't be until they have testified. >> this is a tragedy for both families. i said that since the first day you and i talked. and if they need to leave the courtroom i'm fine. what i don't want is any type of maneuver or show boating or something that would suggest to try to impact on that jury. as long as they stay away from negative impact on the jury, both the martin side and the zimmerman side, then we'll have a good, just verdict based on the evidence. >> it's probably too early t...

Spare me. >> jeff? >> first of all, you say that the evidence isn't relevant. of course it's relevant, mark. they have to put this evidence on. a defense attorney may not enjoy listening to it, but it's relevant evidence. >> there is no relevant evidence to the methods by which -- >> these are crime scene photos. >> you could stipulate that he died. everybody knows it's a tragedy. >> the prosecution doesn't have to stipulate. >> what's the relevance of this? >> they're crime scene photos. since when are crime scene photos irrelevant to a murder case? >> crime scene photos are relevant. however...

>> and it's relevant. i want to know mark -- >> let me explain something to you, sunny. >> please do, mark. >> there is a difference -- you know i love you, sunny, but there is a difference between somebody stipulating and saying i'm not going to dispute there is a death, whereas somebody is disputing whether or not it is self-defense, where self-defense, where you do have to put on evidence and the state has a burden. i know this is a technical question, but that is the law. >> what i find interesting about those head wounds is i don't know as a juror, do i think of those as big wounds or lit...