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>> so in 2014 when we saw the rise of families come across the border, the obama administration started this place in artesia in mexico to hold families. they were the first to have these family residential centers. in 2015 that flores settlement agreement, the judge said it applies even to children with their parents. >> and you are violating it. >> and you did see the numbers of families go up. the thing here, though, is the way they are trying to get around it. they are saying that because the judge says that you cannot hold a child in a facility that isn't state licensed and no state has e...

We have to train our officers to identify what those images are and deal with them so that when they police communities and people in the african american community, they will do so knowing, if they have implicit biases -- >> i agree with all the sensitivity, but i also think that policemen need to understand there will be a penalty if you break the law. >> absolutely. >> until we do that, i don't think they even have the need to question it, if you look at this data, and they can just walk away. >> i agree with you. until someone goes to jail, until someone is put in handcuffs, we are not goi...

And if he waved his magic ring, he could have republican partners on immigration reform and we know that's not true. the only silver lining of the election results, that it's clear to the mainstream media that there's no partnership across the aisle for this president and he already has a significant legacy. protecting his existing legacy is legacy enough. we know they'll try to eradicate it. it's important that he will use his veto pen if he has to. what he's done on immigration has been very important. we see poll numbers in the latino, hispanic community, are happy. i think this is changing...

As "the washington post" reported back in august, captives held by isis, including james foley, were water boarded. doesn't that show the immorality of this, that isis is now copying the united states? >> well, this was the argument against it in the first place. that the united states behaves differently than the enemy which operates under barbaric standards. so i'm sure you'll have the defenders from the bush administration coming out now and saying, that will give them a bunch of other ideas. there's no shortage of ideas about how to kill and torture and maim people among the likes of al qa...

We did some things that were contrary to our values, and we have to, as a country, take responsibility for that. so that hopefully we don't do it again in the future. >> joining me now is "the washington post's" dana millbank. dane a thanks for being here. >> hi, reverend. >> this report has been five years in the making. just how damning is the report expected to be to the bush administration? >> well, clearly based on what we've been hearing so far and the extent to which the intelligence agencies have pushed back against the release of this report, it's damaging to the bush agency, but it's...