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if he's forced into some kind of a humiliating political retreat or, you know, an actual military retreat, it's going to be very hard for him. his whole persona is one of a strongman, and if a strongman isn't strong and actually, you know, faces defeat, i think that, you know, it's possible that somebody in that elite is going to move against him. 0k, and he'd be replaced by what? in this world that you envisage where the criticaljuncture, where russia doesn't win president putin is weakened, what happens to him or who is he replaced by? well, it's hard to imagine that there's going to be another right—wing dictator waiting in the wings that's going to be worse than him because he's got unlimited ambitions and he's been willing to use the most brutal means to do that. i think that, you know, if he is removed, they're going to come to some kind of a peace settlement that
a calculation we may make, but wars never go the way that you expect them to. you're fairly confident, though, that this is, that in effect, russia is not going to win. yeah. does that mean president putin is ousted? no, it doesn't. but i do think that if he's forced into some kind of a humiliating political retreat or, you know, an actual military retreat, it's going to be very hard for him. his whole persona is one of a strongman, and if a strongman isn't strong and actually, you know, faces defeat, i think that, you know, it's possible that somebody in that elite is going to move against him. 0k. and he'd be replaced by what? in this world that you envisage where the criticaljuncture, where russia doesn't win president putin is weakened, what happens to him or who is he replaced by? well, it's hard to imagine that there's going to be another right wing dictator waiting in the wings that's going to be
forced into some kind of a humiliating political retreat or, you know, an actual military retreat, it's going to be very hard for him. his whole persona is one of a strongman, and if a strongman isn't strong and actually, you know, faces defeat, i think that, you know, it's possible that somebody in that elite is going to move against him. 0k. and he'd be replaced by what? in this world that you envisage where the criticaljuncture, where russia doesn't win president putin is weakened, what happens to him or who is he replaced by? well, it's hard to imagine that there's going to be another right wing dictator waiting in the wings that's going to be worse than him because he's got unlimited ambitions and he's been willing to use the most brutal means to do that. i think that, you know, if he is removed, they're going to come to some kind of a peace settlement that will involve a withdrawal. but, you know, we don't know. i mean, it's impossible
going to win. yeah. does that mean president putin is ousted? no, it doesn't. but i do think that if he's forced into some kind of a humiliating political retreat or, you know, an actual military retreat, it's going to be very hard for him. his whole persona is one of a strongman, and if a strongman isn't strong and actually, you know, faces defeat, i think that, you know, it's possible that somebody in that elite is going to move against him. 0k. and he'd be replaced by what? in this world that you envisage where the criticaljuncture, where russia doesn't win president putin is weakened, what happens to him or who is he replaced by? well, it's hard to imagine that there's going to be another right wing dictator waiting in the wings that's going to be worse than him because he's got unlimited ambitions and he's been willing to use the most
and as long as that's the case, they're going to just need to be beaten at the polls. defeated at the polls. because they want to take this -- this country in an authoritarian direction and we simply cannot allow that to happen. >> before i let you go, i'm certainly hoping congress will pass infrastructure legislation this week because it will directly benefit millions of americans. however, there are many people, especially in the african-american community, are wondering whether voting rights should have been the priority in this term, particularly in light of the assaults on democracy, you yourself have highlighted both in your book and in your work on capitol hill. well, what is your response to that line of thinking? >> you know, reverend, i think that voting rights is priority number one. that should be the first and seminal priority because as i write about in the book, if the edifice of our elections isn't
logical brain comes back to life in a few days, — logical brain comes back to life in a few days, that is the process we have _ a few days, that is the process we have to _ a few days, that is the process we have to go — a few days, that is the process we have to go through and we have to keep— have to go through and we have to keep continuing that. england have to keep _ keep continuing that. england have to keep that track going, whoever is here, _ to keep that track going, whoever is here, whoever is at the fa and saint georges _ here, whoever is at the fa and saint georges park. that is what we had to build _ georges park. that is what we had to build that _ georges park. that is what we had to build. that was division at the start— build. that was division at the start and _ build. that was division at the start and we are showing the signs with the _ start and we are showing the signs with the help of the clubs who are producing — with the help of the clubs who are producing some fantastic young players. — producing some fantastic young players, all of those things have to ali-n players, all of those things have to align because any part of that football— align because any part of that football pyramid that isn't strong affects _ football pyramid that isn't strong affects the national team. at the moment, — affects the national team. at the moment, lots of things are starting to come _ moment, lots of things are starting to come together and we have to continue — to come together and we have to continue that.— to come together and we have to continue that. well, let's talk now to ollie foster— continue that. well, let's talk now to ollie foster who _ continue that. well, let's talk now to ollie foster who is _ continue that. well, let's talk now to ollie foster who is at _ continue that. well, let's talk now to ollie foster who is at the - to ollie foster who is at the england team hotel. gareth southgate naturally sounded tired, he sounded drained, but ultimately there was a very positive current running through what he had to say. it said
th theona hill and others. i do think that it is a mistake to rush this when they have so much potential evidence ahead that would speak more to the public and to the voters than obstruction, which sounds like the trump administration is going to say the congress was mean to me and the president wasn't fair. it's not as potent and did you want breakthrough as much. i think that they are not on a fishing expedition. they are on to something very compelling here. they should stay the course and wait for the legal decisions to make a more powerful case to the senate republicans who have to weigh in on trial and then ultimately to the public. there's no problem pushing this into the early winter in trump's america if we had an impeachment trial, no one would remember it on election day. certainly february is not too late. >> thank you, both.
testimony already. this is how "the new york times" frames what could be a head. what has been a rapidly moving investigation securing damning testimony from witnesses who defied white house orders may soon become a more arduous effort. investigators are trying to secure cooperation from higher ranking advisers who can offer more direct accounts of trump's actions, but are also more easily shielded from congress. do we anticipate that this is the first of a number of road blocks ahead for house democrats? >> i asked adam schiff is and he hopes other witnesses will not follow this tack. we know that another staffer on the national securityexpected t. his attorney has made it clear, but democrats knew this might eventually be the case much like in a criminal investigation, they worked from the outside in. start iing with state departmen employees, folks who were work on the ukraine side of things. working in other agencies of the
will rule with rapt to this kupperman suit. >> that helps clear it up. thank you. amy, let me turn to you. you have a new piece. tstz reported that democrats want to vote on articles of impeachment by christmas. too soon? do you think their case isn't strong enough yet? >> well, when congressman schiff talks about obstruction, everyone in both parties in congress and the executive branch understand that obstructing congress is an impeachable offense. it's just not as powerful a message across the country with voters. i think that they have a very good chance of piling far more evidence. they have had nine depositions. it looks like they will have more if like glen points out this becomes a test case that opens the door to the testimony of john bolton and others who can back up the testimony of
breathing life into the mueller report. instead what you saw yesterday was robert mueller sucking the life out of the impeachment movement all together. republicans are very happy with how it went. there seemed to be no new information and when you heard speaker pelosi earlier in your broadcast say we have to wait to build a strong case, it seems to pre-suppose that the case right now isn't strong. the fact that they have to continue their investigative activities seems to suggest that democrats do not believe that that there is sufficient evidence in the mueller report or from mueller's testimony yesterday to impeach the president and by the way six out of ten americans agree with them. nothing that you saw yesterday is going to change the lying political dynamic which is that the country wants the house democratic majority to move on. >> so on one hand the republicans and president tout the fact that the mueller report has exonerated him but at the same time, you attacked mueller, you attacked the report, you questioned its credibility and