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I've talked to four economists, including the dean of the columbia school of business and former chairs of the councils of economic advisers, and they believe that it will have this impact. so i think if we can stimulate the economy, create more jobs, that that does generate more revenue. >> but why isn't there a single study -- i'm going to show you three studies that we have. sort of a liberal one, a centrist one and a conservative one right up there. the most pro economic growth argument still has $516 billion to the deficit over ten years. >> well, talk to economists like glenn hubbard and...