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Be pulling back on national defense? >> i grew up in the air rafferty the $800 hammer and $600 toilet seat. there are efficiencies there. if you are looking to the county tuesday for something that the government is actually supposed to be involved in, it is defending the country. thsequestration was the most hm handed way of dealing with thing. they won't give an inch and it is incumbent upon us to find the sweet spot. boehner tried to do it with the president and the president isn't willing. we have to find the sweet spot that includes the pentagon. >> chris: you said dysfunction and kind of...

Be pulling back on national defense? >> i grew up in the air rafferty the $800 hammer and $600 toilet seat. there are efficiencies there. if you are looking to the county tuesday for something that the government is actually supposed to be involved in, it is defending the country. thsequestration was the most hm handed way of dealing with thing. they won't give an inch and it is incumbent upon us to find the sweet spot. boehner tried to do it with the president and the president isn't willing. we have to find the sweet spot that includes the pentagon. >> chris: you said dysfunction and kind of...

Be pulling back on national defense? >> i grew up in the air rafferty the $800 hammer and $600 toilet seat. there are efficiencies there. if you are looking to the county tuesday for something that the government is actually supposed to be involved in, it is defending the country. thsequestration was the most hm handed way of dealing with thing. they won't give an inch and it is incumbent upon us to find the sweet spot. boehner tried to do it with the president and the president isn't willing. we have to find the sweet spot that includes the pentagon. >> chris: you said dysfunction and kind of...

Because the republicans are really torn up about this. what is an increase in tax mean, what do increased re-knews mean? i don't think we will know until december whether or not they will offer up the deductions and evening he is looking for. >> chris: charles, we have big headlines in paper saying now that the president isn't willing, or isn't demanding $800 billion which is what back in august of 2011 he had big debt talks with the john boehner, he wants double that. he wants $1.6 trillion in re-knew increases -- revenue increases. again, you know, he has an election. and he sounds like he i...