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Look, it could be that nobody gets charged with any kind of conspiracy. >> which is a very important point. >> but i do think and other legal sxernts have said thexper well that miller would not be bringing this many witnesses in to the grand jury just for a false statements charge against stone or something. so it does seem like there is a lot of smoke there. we'll see if there is fire. but for us to try to piece it together now, those messages sound incriminating, the whole debate about was creditdy company hcreditdy -- credico his link, was it somebody else. any link is link enough for a co...

Own explanation, which is, hey, this happened during the obama administration, this thing which i'm now going to say didn't happen because putin tells me so. so here you have dan coats, chris wray, obviously the head of the fbi. mike pompeo, obviously secretary of state. paul nakasone said it also and gina haspel, senator. i do agree with the assessment. it's not about the truth, rick. you gave him an excuse earlier. you said, well, you know, everybody has been after him about this. so what, rick? >> i did not excuse -- i do not excuse what the president said. i just -- i tried to give you som...

Everybody has been after him about this. so what, rick? >> i did not excuse -- i do not excuse what the president said. i just -- i tried to give you some insight as to what the president was thinking and what he was trying to accomplish. and i agree that i think it was a betrayal of the united states and in his rhetoric at that press conference, but one of the things that i think could benefit trump is the hyperbolic response by some like john brennan saying that it's treasonous. it's what's always given the president quarter with his base, which is that everybody on the left just goes, you k...

I think biggots now think, yeah i'm a big, so what. what's the consequence contentiif i can see this discrimination from on high why can't i do it myself? >> mike. >> first of all, her tweet wasn't funny it was terrible. let me try to add something different from the conversation than what's already been said. i want to work backwards from the voters to the president, as oppose of always being so angry at the president working out to his voters. i recommend the book by brad todd called "the result". these are clearly not racist americans that elected this president, but they feel very disrespe...

Studio this is such a complex story explain to us what the stormy daniels investigation has to do with the miller investigation so if you've heard the name michael cohen in the past however many weeks in the media it's because he is donald trump's personal lawyer he has been a confidant of tom for about a decade or so and he is the one who wrote the one hundred thirty thousand dollars check to stormy daniels basically to buy her silence now this raid was. connected ostensibly to that to that payment because i don't know if you've ever written a check for a hundred thirty thousand dollars yet i...