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Approach. we have to destroy their virtual caliphate. take away their finances. the comprehensive nature of the plan. agree with it. as you suggested, this movement has expanded into 30 plus other countries. we need to work with our allies in actually defeating isis in those countries. >> bill: that will take more than a year. >> that will take more than a year but it won't take u.s. troops on the ground in those countries. that's not the plan. the plan is to insist with intelligence and training possibly if they need that with some capabilities they may not have. but what we don't have now is...

Man for several years has been saying we can beat isis, we just need to commit to the fight. and now there is an idea where president trump wants to see a plan to beat isis within a year. is that going to work? >> the pentagon is coming in with something like that. the operation in iraq we're committed to in the fifth month of that offensive in mosul. once that is cleaned up most of the territory will be retaken. not much change to that. the challenge in iraq will remain two-fold. one political unity to help stabilize that country politically. that's a huge challenge in front of us. we can pla...

Forces there and using the kurds to take down isis at raqqa. that will probably take some months to be able to do that. they'll put artillery in there and apache to enable that ground force to be more effective. i actually prefer that the turks plan to be frank about it. which is arab coalition on the ground. turk coalition on the ground. u.s. coalition small on the ground. take it down quickly more decisively. leave the arab coalition in place. pull out the turks and u.s. quickly. >> bill: that can be done in a year you believe? >> that would be done considerably less. >> bill: you are talkin...

Government effort. u.s. treasury to help work on finances. the state department to assist with allies in terms of undermining the ideology. the allies themselves obviously closely align with them. this is putting together a strategy and a bit of an unofficial alliance to defeat isis. >> bill: raqqa is a town in eastern syria. it was or imagine still is at the centerpiece of this movement. >> it is. it's their headquarters. >> bill: to years ago you said i'd land them on that airstrip at nighttime and they would be gone in three days. >> not necessarily three days. >> bill: is that how you char...