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>> you saw who he chose for his cabinet. "mad dog" mattis. you saw a lot of his in terms of who donald trump would be taking advice from, and they weren't going to be the isolationists. howie: the russian ties were rooted in the notion there was an unholy alliance between the trump side and putin side. but you don't think the changes in policy are knocking that down at all? marie: i think they are road in the fact that the intelligence community said russia interfered in this election. the f.b.i. investigations and the congressional investigations, these are ongoing.

Way, when are they actually going to get involved and start helping out with this as well? >> julie: there is also news that a russian -- that's ridiculous. >> chris: he says we heard actors to do it. what's sick is that there are americans who because of their political views either as isolationists or liberals who hate trump are willing to believe garbage like that just as they were during the election, willing to believe misinformation like that. i tell you, if americans do not learn to put their country ahead of their party, we are going to be in for a very unhappy time in this country. >>...

Export/import bank or china being a currency manipulator. all of these things are ancillary, is that right? >> i think there's truth in that. remember, you want to -- when you're president, sometimes you want to do like a west virginia coal truck driver and take your half out of the middle. these are broadly popular things. being against russia is broadly popular. yes, there is a constituency within the republican party that is pro putin. but it's small. that's a small number of people. those who are qasi isolationists are small in number. when you have a president that said, if you gas people...

Saying maybe america needs to be isolationists, maybe america needs to narrow itself, yeah, americans on foreign policy i find follow the lead of the president, the secretary of state. they don't lead. they understand it's a complicated world. if you tell them this is important, i mean, people say americans don't have stamina because we're kind of a fickle democracy. we have been on the banks of the rufr defending germany for eight decades. weave been in korea, in japan. americans are willing to do this but you have to be led. >> is it some sort of justification about whether they're -- hey, l...

You need leadership that explain to americans that part of what the united states has done ever since the 1940s is try to construct a peaceful world order in which united states can survive world trade survives and u.s. economy grows. it's something that presidents from franklin roosevelt have explained to the american people and they've supported and gonna long with it for eight, nine, ten decades. but if leaders start questioning the value of this and saying maybe america needs to be isolationists, yeah, americans on foreign policy, i find, follow the lead of the president, the second of sta...