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Between isolationism, frankly, and internationalism is just that one word, country, america. >> and which side is winning right now? >> i think that the isolationists are probably still winning, but i also think that some of the realities are becoming apparent. for example, in my state, the finance minister of mexico told me that mexico does more business with arizona than it does with spain. if you cut off that trade across border between arizona, and sa nora, mexico, i'm telling you would you have a serious and deep recession. there's a couple hundred thousand jobs that are directly, not ind...

How do you think this isolation of the -- is with the tariff plans and that he doesn't deal with the du in a very respectful way and mr. president america first don't you think this is going to weaken the american union and why are you so scared of adversity in the news, in the media that you speak so often of fake news and things after all that cannot be proven the fact that you have been wiretapped by mr. obama. >> nice friendly reporter. first of all, i don't believe in an isolationist policy. but i also believe a policy of trade should be a fair policy. and the united states has been treat...

Mexico that feed into this joint supply production chain that nafta is responsible for creating over the past 20 years. >> the impact around the world, the idea that we are becoming isolationists. >> this is something that i've been very concerned about as someone that has lived and worked with for decades, the public diplomacy footprint of the united states is being profoundly affected and many nations are seeing this critically important relationship between mexico and the united states, to friends and partners and allies to saying, if this is going on with mexico, imagine what would happen ...

This is where donald trump is going to be living, with his family. i can't believe sean put the itching powder in the bed, as a prank on trump. obama would let you do that. think about where we came from 18 months ago when you and i were talking about this movement that we had seen on the radio for years.ov economic populism, questioning these trade deals, having borders that matter. having immigration, but smart immigration. they look down upon those, and called them protectionists, isolationists. and trump said, i am with the people. i'm going to win ohio. how many times on election night di...

Been an opportunity to challenge the new administration to get it right. >> jon meacham, i think you are probably a bit like me, and i, obviously, and you are a pretty good historian like me -- i'm joking, you are great. i think in terms obviously of time periods, and i sit and look at the clock ticking, and we're almost a fifth of the way through the 20th century, and our foreign policy in the 21st century, it has just been disastrous. it has been inconsistent and willsonian, and then it has been isolationists, sort of a new kind of and how are historians going to look back?