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Clandestine operations, he swings a big stick at the agency, does he not? >> without question, he's known as the -- >> he swings a big stick in the agency. so if he comes up and says, holy smokes, we got to get rid of these tapes, we got to destroy this stuff, porter says get rid of it, is that illegal activity? >> yes. it is. especially if what you're finding, above them, even if there's an investigation going on that says do not destroy something that may be evidence, even if it comes from, in this case, rodriguez was what is known as ddo, he is the head spy at the cia, just under porter. >>...

Evidence isser refutable. >> it is amizing and amazing people follow this stuff. eric burns, appreciate your time. ga great work as always. robert greenwald is with us, he made the documentary "out foxed." no man has followed the career of bill o'reilly and his lies more than this gentleman. i have to ask you, mr. greenwald, is this one for the archives? >> it's -- it's pretty -- it's a pretty -- it's way up there, ed, let me say. it's way up there. you nailed it at the beginning of the show. the problem is o'reilly said he had done some research. they don't know how to research over there. ...