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Including questioning people, issuing subpenas, even if that means taking this very secretive sense of investigation into the public light. and now of course our first camp won out. the investigation didn't become public, certainly not in a way that we now understand it to be. and that's going to be one of the questions we look back on did the fbi make the right call. did they handle it appropriately. did they handle it fairly consider how they handled the clinton investigation. >> as we are talking i'm look tg at images of george papadopoulos, 20 something adviser to the trump campaign who ha...

Conversations that took place after those australian diplomats went to the fbi? >> well, this was a crazy time at the fbi. remember, this is just after the fbi closed the investigation into hillary clinton emails and criticized for speaking so publicly about that case. and inside the fbi real questions how public should we be with this investigation. if we start questioning people or issuing subpenas, that's really going to make this investigation public. and frankly also going to tip off russia that we know what's going on here and we are never going to be able to solve this investigation and...

Combined with this information from australian counterparts that said the trump campaign may have known in advance this was coming. and so when you take that drunk ken conversation between george papadopoulos and the australian diplomate, yes, the russians have dirt on lirk. then months go by, maybe that's the side conversation, maybe there is no significance of that is missed, but months go bay, but then in july the australian coming to the fbi and say we had a weird conversation that suddenly seems important. those two things put together help set off this dominos. >> i want to get into that...