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Real or fun? >> reporter: that's what we are trying to figure out. the vice president was here presiding over the senate while a bill was named in the honor of his son who died in cancer, a cancer related treatment bill. he was here and it was sort of an emotional setting. he came off the senate floor and a small group of us talking to him and asking him about what does it mean? these are your final days of your time in office, did it add to your emotions. he began talking about him. he laughed because we thought that he was teasing. i love this place referring to public life. there is a quest...

As an underdog? i do think donald trump should be telling people, we have a fight ahead of us, let's get out there, get your friends to the pollinglaces and let's vote. i think that it definitely mobilizes his base to talk about hillary as corrupt -- >> does it add to it? >> i heard something new today. he said that the media refuses to cover some of his events. that's not true. he basically said the polls are cooked. the polls are cooked and he's actually winning. that is just a new escalation for him. he's telling these people that everything they're hearing is not true. and that he's actual...

16th. ari, i want to give you the last word here. >> i think people concede both sides. this is is espionage, this is grave and serious and we have the society -- on the other hand donald trump in that instance that if this stuff us true it came out it add to the quantum of information where you have to make the assessment of the e-mails that's not that grave. this is a new problem actually. water gate was domestic interference. this is cyber water gate and you don't want to play into the hands of the enmanyemyiesenemies. we and the a lot of voters if something that's true, that's something yo...

Does it add to the base? probably not as larry said. that snapshot, that poll, that's a big gap. what it does after the debate is going to be very interesting to see. but there's something else i want to point out. that is that he -- donald trump rails at the media, the media in all its forms are not going away, they're riveted by this, they're going to continue to magnify his words, actions, inconsistencies and attacks, he will live by that, or perish by that, right now, he's gambling on the base. >> i was sitting with some people who watched. some were decided, some undecided. the subject of...

That's what we heard. does it add to the base? probably not as larry said. that snapshot, that poll, that's a big gap. what it does after the debate is going to be very interesting to see. but there's something else i want to point out. that is that he -- donald trump rails at the media, the media in all its forms are not going away, they're riveted by this, they're going to continue to magnify his words, actions, inconsistencies and attacks, he will live by that, or perish by that, right now, he's gambling on the base. >> i was sitting with some people who watched. some were decided, some und...