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Is to the prosecution's case? >> i think it's very, very important to the prosecution's case. pardon the expression the smoking gun. the person screaming if it's determined to be trayvon martin it makes it clear he was not the aggressor and george zimmerman murdered him or goes a long way towards establishing that. the thing is, anderson, without an expert you'll have the people on the jury determining whether they believe it was trayvon martin's voice or zimmerman's anyway and you have the neighbor's lay opinion who said, as you saw on the tape piece, that he believed it sounded like trayvon ...

Marcia, there is expert testimony who is screaming in that 911 call. how important do you think this is to the prosecution's case? >> i think it's very, very important to the prosecution's case. pardon the expression the smoking gun. the person screaming if it's determined to be trayvon martin it makes it clear he was not the aggressor and george zimmerman murdered him or goes a long way towards establishing that. the thing is, anderson, without an expert you'll have the people on the jury determining whether they believe it was trayvon martin's voice or zimmerman's anyway and you have the nei...

Police were supposed to be coming to investigate. so when you put all this together, what does it add up to you? >> i'll tell you, erin, it adds up to a lot of smoke and not too much fire. this is a circumstantial case at this point. i'm seeing somewhat of a marginal connection between hernandez and the victim in this case. but i'm not seeing a murder case, and obviously the police aren't either because you can trust me about this -- he would be wearing a pair of handcuffs right now if they had a case against him. there's a lot that links him to the murder victim. but i don't think they've cro...

Joining us now from philadelphia is professor james peterson, director of africaner studies at lehigh university. professor, does the edward snowden leak take the attention off the attorney general or does it add to his woes? >> this is interesting because i feel like the attorney general has been taking the attention away from the president in terms of the department of justice and the challenges that they've had around leaks and what's been revealed about the kind of information they've been collecting. but you're right that this nsa story has now eclipsed even that. we're not talking about ...

Keep many of the programs. let me ask this, candy, the president says essentially we're doing this in a safe responsible way and then condemns the leaks. at a time people are seeing this administration subpoenaing, tracking news reporters records to try to track down the leaks, does that add their apples and oranges to a degree, but does the aggressive government role, does it add to the suspicions people will have about are they really not listening to my phone call, are they really not going into my e-mails in a way that oversteps hunting for terrorists? >> i do think it still goes to the tr...