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Sit down and have a conversation about this is putting our nation at risk of default. >> are you saying if he continues to refuse to negotiate, the country is going to default? >> it's the path we're on. >> chuck, what's this zigzagging to the cliff all about? explain it analytically what boehner seems to be doing. saying one thing to the inside crowd, denying it. what's he up to? >> the problem is this is the strategy boehner wanted to pursue all along. he didn't want to tie all this to the shutdown. and this is now the box he finds himself in where the two of these issues have merged togethe...

The united states default on their debt. my goal here is to have a serious conversation about those things that are driving the deficit and driving the debt up. and the president's refusal to sit down and have a conversation about this is putting our nation at risk of default. >> are you saying if he continues to refuse to negotiate, the country is going to default? >> it's the path we're on. >> chuck, what's this zigzagging to the cliff all about? explain it analytically what boehner seems to be doing. saying one thing to the inside crowd, denying it. what's he up to? >> the problem is this i...