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Pompeo, and if the way you lay it out it anything approaching end game here, this means the entire management structure of this administration has dirt on its hands here. >> this is the problem. we've known for months that mick mulvaney, the acting chief of staff, froze the aid and was building his own -- i mean we didn't know that. we've known that for a few weeks. for months we've known he had marginalized john bolton, so had secretary pompeo, and mulvaney had built his own version of the nsc, and they were, like i said, stuffing bolton somewhere in the basement. mike pence, the vice preside...

Retaliation and retribution, which is all too common. >> when you hear some of your fellow senators, members of congress saying oh, well, the president was joking when he called on china and the ukraine to investigate the bidens, i mean there is no evidence that there's any humor in this president on this subject at all. >> anybody listening to the president finds it anything but laughable. when the president of the united states invites interference by a foreign government in our election or sells out our national security as he was doing then, as he did in the conversation with the ukrainian...

Mean, there is no evidence that there's any humor in this president on this subject at all. >> anybody listening to the president finds it anything but laughable when the president of the united states invites interference by a foreign government in our election or sells out our national security as he was doing then, as he did in the conversation with the ukrainian president and, frankly, as he did when he welcomed russian interference in our election in 2014 when he was a candidate. that is hardly laughable. it is deadly serious and that's the reason why the focus on in fact this abuse of po...

Leave immediately? seriously? >> and i'm asking myself that same question because the people who have seen this document who are progressive, and they'ress openly progressive, they are embarrassed by it. so the question is why are they actually doing something about q it? maybe this is going to push them in a direction but the problem is when you call it anything having to do with social justice or woke culture in seattle, you get called out immediately and you are ashamed and bullied into submission and unfortunately that happens way too often here. >> tucker: there are very few brave people ...

President trump and president. and i think this is of of deep concern in the u.s. right now that the president is freewheeling in these diplomatic engagements i don't think the president wants it anything new to president trump that he hasn't said before and so the decision making in the reasoning by president trump and his tweet and his decision on this policy is a mystery to many here in washington. jonathan katz with the german marshall fund in our washington studio john thank you very much we appreciate they really thought this. well here's some of the other stories now that are making hea...