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Determined by the u.s.? >> a good question. most important using it now is as a frame for understanding russian intentions in the aggressive war on ukraine. >> well, the international criminal court would -- well, number one says it's investigating, and that would be one body that would make the determination of genocide. what can the u.s. do that the international criminal court cannot? >> a good point. there's a number of different ways to use the term and to process it and even to take it to you know to some sort of prosecution. the icc is one body. also special tribunals created for specia...

>> talk further bring in daniel rothenburg co-directs or of the arizona state of war and at the school of global politics and studies and wrote an op-ed for cnn last week arguing the u.n. should invest gays this as russian aggression quoting from your op-ed, definition of a genocide in ukraine would be appropriate if there was enough evidence to demonstrate russia's atrocities express a purposeful effort to deny existence of the ukrainian people. so let's talk further about that, professor, because, while either president biden and zelenskyy have useds the term jean gene genocide, that is very...