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Because of donald trump. donald trump started this all. he started by lying about the election. almost before it even happened. and he kept going. and was the one who basically told them to go up on capitol hill. there are any number of theories, by which he could be held criminally liable for this stuff. harry lippman, you just had on, talked about policy to, which is a perfect fit for this. it talks about -- it criminalizes, somebody should go to jail not more than 20 years, if they corruptly obstruct, influence or impede any official proceeding. to include a proceeding of congress. in the j...

Congress and congress was not going to be able to find out the truth whereas robert mueller was able to find the truth and compel him to plead guilty. at the end of the day, congress would not find out he was lying to them had it not been for robert mueller, right? >> lest you think or anyone think that lying to congress is only a crime if it's under oath, michael cohen has demonstrated there is a separate statute section 1001, the false statement statute, that mueller is very fond of. he's used it liberally. it criminalizes lying to congress or any executive branch body. this is not where the...